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Please could someone tell me how to pronounce "Darrieus" (you know the one with the vertical windmill.)
I like to say the name as it is pronounced in his native country - France.
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Darrieus seems to be an Occitan name (Darri(e)u: of the river), the final s might have been added in French. The man most probably pronounced it in French the French way: [daʁjø].
If you need the closest possible English sounds, it could be written: darr-yuh, with uh meaning a sound (French eu) close to the unstressed a in "above".
Stress is light and is on the last syllable like in all French words.
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Hi Olivier
Thank you!
I saw somewhere that Darrieuz was pronounced like dar-sjø and wondered if there were any difference if the final character was s instead of the z ?
Darrieus is the French patent holder of a vertical windmill.
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="Olivier"]Darrieus seems to be an Occitan name (Darri(e)u: of the river), the final s might have been added in French. The man most probably pronounced it in French the French way: [daʁjø].
If you need the closest possible English sounds, it could be written: darr-yuh, with uh meaning a sound (French eu) close to the unstressed a in "above".
Stress is light and is on the last syllable like in all French words.
-- Olivier[/quote]
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Did you know, solbjerg, that Darrieus windmills (also nicknamed "eggbeaters") can also be mounted horizontally? In this configuration, they can be quite usefull in dense urban environments, allowing large buidings to supply cheaply some of their energy requirements.
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Hi Olivier
Thank you!
I saw somewhere that Darrieuz was pronounced like dar-sjø and wondered if there were any difference if the final character was s instead of the z ?
Darrieus is the French patent holder of a vertical windmill.
Cheers
solbjerg
As said Anuanua, "Darrieu" is a south-originated name, but very common. The ending -s was not originaly a mistaken additive letter, but the marking of nominative-case, in both northern and southern ancient french. Such an -s might become an -x or a -z after a 'u', which was nothing but a mere graphical change (scribes often wrote actually "Diarriex" - a spelling one can also found - with "EX" being a ligature, i.e. a contextual writing for EUS). It can also disappears, being "slurred" in some dialects of occitan. Mereover, ending consonants are ordinary mute in french.

I did not know the existence of Georges Darrieus, but he must have pronounced his name like the famous french actress Danielle Darrieux, i.e. [daʁjø], as said Olivier.
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Hi Sisyphe
Thank you very much! (goes for Olivier too :-) ) Very informative!! - I will henceforth use the "daʁjø" pronounciation :-)
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Hi Olivier
Thank you!
I saw somewhere that Darrieuz was pronounced like dar-sjø and wondered if there were any difference if the final character was s instead of the z ?
Darrieus is the French patent holder of a vertical windmill.
Cheers
solbjerg
As said Anuanua, "Darrieu" is a south-originated name, but very common. The ending -s was not originaly a mistaken additive letter, but the marking of nominative-case, in both northern and southern ancient french. Such an -s might become an -x or a -z after a 'u', which was nothing but a mere graphical change (scribes often wrote actually "Diarriex" - a spelling one can also found - with "EX" being a ligature, i.e. a contextual writing for EUS). It can also disappears, being "slurred" in some dialects of occitan. Mereover, ending consonants are ordinary mute in french.

I did not know the existence of Georges Darrieus, but he must have pronounced his name like the famous french actress Danielle Darrieux, i.e. [daʁjø], as said Olivier.
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Sisyphe wrote:As said Anuanua, "Darrieu" is a south-originated name, but very common.
"I" said that???

Actually I did work on windmills. Well... not exactly on the windmills themselves but on electronic controllers for windmills produced by various manufacturers. And there, of course, I heard about the various types, including the Darrieus, the Savonius, the Obidniak and others. In the milieu, I heard both Europeans and Americans (including Canadians) pronounce [Daréuss], and not [Darieu] like in Danièle Darrieux.. (The u in [daréuss] is pronounced like the French u or the German ü.) The "r" is pronounced the french way, and not "wr" like in English.

Were they right or wrong? All I know is that mechanical and electronic engineers are not linguists. But that seems to be the usual way of saying it among those who work on windmills.
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Thank you Anuanua!
The name was precisely being said in a lot of ways - and I just wanted to know how he himself would have said it.

Thanks too for the information on the horizontical use of the mill - hadn't seen that before!
Good idea in some environments I am sure!
Cheers
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Anuanua wrote:
Sisyphe wrote:As said Anuanua, "Darrieu" is a south-originated name, but very common.
"I" said that???

Actually I did work on windmills. Well... not exactly on the windmills themselves but on electronic controllers for windmills produced by various manufacturers. And there, of course, I heard about the various types, including the Darrieus, the Savonius, the Obidniak and others. In the milieu, I heard both Europeans and Americans (including Canadians) pronounce [Daréuss], and not [Darieu] like in Danièle Darrieux.. (The u in [daréuss] is pronounced like the French u or the German ü.) The "r" is pronounced the french way, and not "wr" like in English.

Were they right or wrong? All I know is that mechanical and electronic engineers are not linguists. But that seems to be the usual way of saying it among those who work on windmills.
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If people pronounce the "-us" as [ys] like in names from ancient Rome, it might be contamination from the name Darius (the Persian king)
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Hi Olivier
I am sure you are right :-) the Persian King was my first association - like your nom de guerre here - my first thought was a jazz pianist I know here in Denmark and then of course Laurence Olivier :-)
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Olivier wrote:If people pronounce the "-us" as [ys] like in names from ancient Rome, it might be contamination from the name Darius (the Persian king)
-- Olivier
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