Croatian lessons

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 11 Dec 2003 16:44

Hello, bok

hm.....or for those who can understand it as well...

Tko god želi može doći na forum od filozofskog fakulteta u Zagrebu. Stranica jest: http://forum.ffzg.hr/

Sve u svemu, to mi je najdraži forum, naravno i ovaj je dobar, ali tamo ljudi ipak govore sa sigurnošću, to im je struka, pa valjda znaju što govore. Ima puno tema, svi jezici....

Dođite!!!

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 12 Dec 2003 16:52

Ok...i see nobody replied it cuz it's in Croatian.
I'm sorry...

Well, i won't translate it becuse I wrote about other Croatian forum, as well about languages, but it is in Croatian, so nobody would understand a word. Maybe the Slavs.

BUT

I was thinking, i could teach Croatian here. Everybody are invited and welcome. But first, I'd like to see who wants to learn it. I hope there will be some guys who want to learn my native language.

I will start as soon as you reply me. We'll start from the very begin, the Croatian alphabet.

Bernadette · Post by **Bernadette** » 12 Dec 2003 16:55

Croatian, just a little. Marvellous idea. But I speak english so ... strangely

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 12 Dec 2003 18:08

HRVATSKA ABECEDA (Croatian alphabet):

a b c č ć d dž đ e f g h i j k l lj m n nj o p r s š t u v z ž

A [a]--as in Spanish, Italian, German (kAtze)
B --as in all other languages, except Spanish
C [tz]--as in German tz, Italian zz
Č [ch,hard]--as in English much, German -tsch-
Ć [ch,soft]--as in Spanish chico, Polish ć
D [d]--as well, like in all other languages, except Spanish
DŽ--as in English j-Jack or Italian g-giorno
Đ--as in Southamerican Spanish y, or Hungarian-gy
--these two sounds dž/đ are similar only that dž-hard/đ-soft
E--as in Spanish, Italian, English fed, normal
F [f]--as in all other languages
G [g]--as in all other languages
H [h]--as j in Spanish, h in English, ch in Czech
I --as in all other langauges
J [y]--as in English y, in Spanish y, in German j
K [k]--as in all other languages
L [l]--as in German, Spanish. Unlike Russian and English L
LJ [ly]--as in French, Italian gl, Portuguese lh, Spanish harder ll
M [m]--as in all other languages. Non nasal!
N [n]--as in all other languages. Non nasal!
NJ [ny]--as in Spanish ñ, Portuguese nh, French/Italian gn
O [o]--as in Spanish, Italian, all Slavic languages. No [ou] sound
P [p]--as in all other languages. Ps- stays ps
R [rr]-as in Italian, Spanish and all Slavic languages. Very rolled!
S [s]--as in English, but never like [z] sound
Š [sh]--as in English sh, German sch, French/Portuguese ch
T [t]--as in Spanish, Italian. Unlike British and German t
U --as in Spanish, Italian, English [oo] sound
V [v]--as in all other languages, except Spanish
Z [z]--as in English zebra. Unlike Italian zz, unlike German z
Ž [zh]--as in French/Portuguese j

Pronouns:
JA [ya:]-I MI [mee:]-we
TI [tee:]-you VI [vee:]-you
ON [on]-he ONI ['onee:]-they (males)
ONA ['ona]-she ONE ['one]-they (females)
ONO ['ono]-it ONA [onâ]-they (neutrum)

Present tense of the verb 'to be'--> BITI

ja SAM/JESAM mi SMO/JESMO
ti SI/JESI vi STE/JESTE
on oni
ona JE/JEST one SU/JESU
ono ona

The form sam,si,je,smo,ste,su is used in 85%.
The other form jesam,jesi....is used when making questions. (In other lesson)

As you've already seen, Croatian has 3 GENDERS (male,female,neutrum)

That's all for today

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » 12 Dec 2003 18:40

bambino wrote:Ć [ch,soft]--as in Spanish chico, Polish ć
[...]
DŽ--as in English j-Jack or Italian g-giorno
Đ--as in Southamerican Spanish y, or Hungarian-gy

Are Ć and Đ a voiceless/voiced corresponding pair? Are they a (softened) t/d + y, or rather a (softened) ch/j + y including a (softened) sh/zh ?
-- Olivier

Bernadette · Post by **Bernadette** » 12 Dec 2003 18:51

Hvala !

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 12 Dec 2003 21:12

Bernadette, nema na čemu (you're welcome)

Olivier: well, you're right.

Ć is softened č and t
Đ is softened dž and d

J incluided (no Y in Croatian). That vocal change is called "Jotacija". As you can see in the name, the sound J is put in after some letters.

So if you have t+j=ć; k+j=č; d+j=đ; z+j=ž etc...

If you have some suggestions or if you wanna learn something else, please tell me. I'd be happy to help you!

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 12 Dec 2003 22:05

VERBS

In Croatian 90% of verbs end in -ti (infinitive), and the rest in -ći

For instance: biti, imati, pjevati, umrijeti etc....and on the other hand ići, otići etc...

Present sufixes are:

singular
-m
-š
-%
plural
-mo
-te
-ju

IMATI (to have)
imam, imaš, ima, imamo, imate, imaju

PJEVATI (to sing)
pjevam, pjevaš, pjeva, pjevamo, pjevate, pjevaju

but HTJETI (to want) also auxilliar verb for making future tense
hoću, hoćeš, hoće, hoćemo, hoćete, hoće or
ću, ćeš, će, ćemo, ćete, će (this for is for making future tense)

ZVATI SE (to say the name; call somebody)
zovem se, zoveš se, zove se, zovemo se, zovete se, zovu se

For example: Zovem se XY (my name is XY)

When you use pronoun, then it is ja SE ZOVEM xy, but without pronoun it is: ZOVEM SE xy. (Look at the order of the reflex verb)

REGARDS:
informal:
bok (hi), zdravo (hello)
formal:
dobro jutro (good morning)
dobar dan (good afternoon)
dobra večer (good night)

When you're leaving you can also say bok (informal)
(formal): doviđenja (goodbye)[/i][/b][/u]

Bernadette · Post by **Bernadette** » 12 Dec 2003 22:29

Bambino, you are a good professor

SubEspion · Post by **SubEspion** » 13 Dec 2003 18:05

What a nice way to learn Croatian ! It may be a good idea to learn a
language. Each two or three days, there's a course and «students» ask
their questions to the «teacher». It is only an idea...

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 13 Dec 2003 19:32

I was imagining this course like that.

Please, it'll be my pleasure to answer you whatever you want.
We'd learn slang, vulgarism, grammar, vocabulary

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 13 Dec 2003 19:58

UPOZNAVANJE (meeting)

ZDRAVO, ZOVEM SE XY.-->hello, my name is xy
JA SAM IZ HRVATSKE, A TI?-->i'm from Croatia, and you?
IMAM XY GODINA.-->i'm xy years old
KOLIKO IMAŠ GODINA?-->how old are you?
ŽIVIM U ZAGREBU.-->i live in Zagreb
GDJE ŽIVIŠ?--where do you live?

DRŽAVE (countries):
Hrvatska (Croatia)
Velika Britanija (Great Britain)
Francuska (France)
Italija
Njemačka (Germany)
Španjolska (Spain)
Portugal
Nizozemska (Holland)
Švicarska (Switzerland)
Češka (Czech Republic)
Poljska (Poland)
Švedska (Sweden)
Danska (Denmark)
Norveška (Norway)
Rusija (Russia)
Mađarska (Hungary)
Rumunjska (Romania)
Grčka (Greece)

Sjedinjene Američke Države (the USA)
Kanada
Kina (China)
Japan
Turska (Turkey)
Brazil

GRADOVI (cities):
Zagreb
London
Pariz
Madrid
Lisabon
Rim (Rome)
Prag (Prague)
Moskva (Moscow)
Budimpešta (Budapest)
Atena (Athens)

Peking (Beijing)

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 13 Dec 2003 19:59

AND OF COURSE, I FORGOT TO MENTION IT

!!!EVERY LETTER IS PRONOUNCED IN CROATIAN, PHONETIC FORM!!!

SubEspion · Post by **SubEspion** » 14 Dec 2003 01:19

Your last course seemed hard for the students, no ? There is many
countries in that. Bambino, you're a serious teacher.

bambino · Post by **bambino** » 14 Dec 2003 14:34

Well...you pick countries that you'd like to learn, of course, you won't and you don't have to learn them all

What do you suggest for the next lesson?
Am i teaching only you and Bernadette?
-->how can i change the subject into Croatian lessons??

LokaNova et Freelang

Croatian lessons

Croatian lessons

Ha.

Hum.