Thank you!
And congratulations! You are really good! No kiddin'!
Suomi - Finnish
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Moi, Didine! 
I have thoroughly analyzed the lists that you posted. They seem quite easy to understand, reasonably easy to put into practice, but quite hard to remember...
I think I might need at least one year to assimilate this much information (no kiddin' ya)!
One more tiny set of questions now. I'm pretty sure you'll find them silly, but remember that I am a beginner.
What verb form do they use in Finnish after the negation (en, et, ei, emme, ette, eivät) in order to form the present of the indicative? Is it the infinitive? With the sole excepion of olla? Are there other exeptions? What form is used after voida?
What does "soi" mean? As in "Taanssi ja soi festivaali". I can't find it in the dic.
Kiitos kaikkista!
I have thoroughly analyzed the lists that you posted. They seem quite easy to understand, reasonably easy to put into practice, but quite hard to remember...
I think I might need at least one year to assimilate this much information (no kiddin' ya)!
One more tiny set of questions now. I'm pretty sure you'll find them silly, but remember that I am a beginner.
What verb form do they use in Finnish after the negation (en, et, ei, emme, ette, eivät) in order to form the present of the indicative? Is it the infinitive? With the sole excepion of olla? Are there other exeptions? What form is used after voida?
What does "soi" mean? As in "Taanssi ja soi festivaali". I can't find it in the dic.
Kiitos kaikkista!
Moi zcalin,
I don't find you questions silly, I've been there!
The base used to form the negative form of the present is the infinitive stem, i.e., for the present, the 1st person singular without the ending (n).
eg. nukkua > nukun > en nuku
olla > olen > en ole (not an exception)
The form used after "voida" is the 1st infinitive (the infinitive you find in the dictionary).
eg. voin keittää ruokaa = I can make the food.
The sentence you gave me does not make sense, but I can tell you that "soi" is the 3rd person singular of the verb "soida".
You have to say "kiitos kaikesta". "Kaikki" belongs to the "ovi" type (group 4), and there's a consonant gradation here. The weak form is used in the elative.
I don't find you questions silly, I've been there!
The base used to form the negative form of the present is the infinitive stem, i.e., for the present, the 1st person singular without the ending (n).
eg. nukkua > nukun > en nuku
olla > olen > en ole (not an exception)
The form used after "voida" is the 1st infinitive (the infinitive you find in the dictionary).
eg. voin keittää ruokaa = I can make the food.
The sentence you gave me does not make sense, but I can tell you that "soi" is the 3rd person singular of the verb "soida".
You have to say "kiitos kaikesta". "Kaikki" belongs to the "ovi" type (group 4), and there's a consonant gradation here. The weak form is used in the elative.
Moi, Didine!
The information that you gave to me is very important to me, especially in this backward stage that I'm in.
Yes, this evening, while browsing through a mini-dictionary, I found out that the genitive of kaikki is kaiken, and then I remembered having used it in a wrong form.
Once again,
Kiitos kaikesta!
The information that you gave to me is very important to me, especially in this backward stage that I'm in.
Yes, this evening, while browsing through a mini-dictionary, I found out that the genitive of kaikki is kaiken, and then I remembered having used it in a wrong form.
Once again,
Kiitos kaikesta!
Moi, Didine!
en/et/ei/emme/ette/eivät - syö/juo/mene/tule/osaa/tiedä/kävele/kirjoita/tapaa/pakkaa/päätä/kerro/lue etc. Right?
Then, on the contrary:
voin/voit/voi/voimme/voitte/voivat - syödä/juoda/mennä/tulla/lukea etc. Right?
Kiitos!
So, let me see if I got it right...didine wrote:The base used to form the negative form of the present is the infinitive stem, i.e., for the present, the 1st person singular without the ending (n).
eg. nukkua > nukun > en nuku
olla > olen > en ole (not an exception)
en/et/ei/emme/ette/eivät - syö/juo/mene/tule/osaa/tiedä/kävele/kirjoita/tapaa/pakkaa/päätä/kerro/lue etc. Right?
Then, on the contrary:
voin/voit/voi/voimme/voitte/voivat - syödä/juoda/mennä/tulla/lukea etc. Right?
Kiitos!
The personal pronouns are not used in their long forms (this applies to minä and sinä) in the spoken language. Even they're not used at all, or they're used in their short forms: mä(ä), sä(ä), me, te. Note that mä(ä) and sä(ä) are incorrect in the written language.zcalin wrote:But tell me, please, how often do the Finns use the personal pronouns minä, sinä, me, te, both in spoken and in written Finnish?
In the written language, either the long forms of the pronouns are used, or they're not used at all. In a newspaper, it could be that they're not used, but they would be in an academic paper for example.
Ok, it makes sense now. It means "Kuopio dances and plays" festival. It is the verb "soida". It implies that music is played in the city, that you hear music in the city. It's kind of a metaphor.zcalin wrote:Moi!
I looked again: "Kuopio tanssii ja soi" - festivaali
Could "soi" be some noun from "soittaa" - to play?
The dance and play festival?
Huomenta!
Here's one more tiny set of questions...
I understand that numbers request the use of a noun in the yksikkön partitiivi. Kaksi maata. - I will accept no correction here, it was one of the first rules that I have learned about the Finnish grammar.
But nobody has ever explaied to me what do I use after yksi! The partitive? I happen to have some doubts... Yksi maata? Yksi maa? Other?
How would it sound for 0 (zero)? What case do I use? - I have a strong feeling that the yksikkön partitiivi again. Is it: Ei maata?
Thanks again!
Here's one more tiny set of questions...
I understand that numbers request the use of a noun in the yksikkön partitiivi. Kaksi maata. - I will accept no correction here, it was one of the first rules that I have learned about the Finnish grammar.
But nobody has ever explaied to me what do I use after yksi! The partitive? I happen to have some doubts... Yksi maata? Yksi maa? Other?
How would it sound for 0 (zero)? What case do I use? - I have a strong feeling that the yksikkön partitiivi again. Is it: Ei maata?
Thanks again!
You're completely right, zcalin! You use the nominative singular after yksi (eg. yksi maa), the partitive singular (yksikön partitiivi) after all the other numbers, when the numbers don't have to be declined...
Bear in mind that numbers are declined too (eg. I've been to 20 countries / Olen käynyt kahdessakymmenessä maassa), but that will come later!
Bear in mind that numbers are declined too (eg. I've been to 20 countries / Olen käynyt kahdessakymmenessä maassa), but that will come later!
Terve Didine!
I know I've been quite silent lately, this is because I have been extremely busy...
In case you missed my bothering you... here's another tiny set of questions.
1. What case does "kuulua" require, when it means to belong?
Suomi kuului ennen Ruotsiin.
Suomi kuuluu Euroopan unioniin.
Ahvenanmaa kuuluu Suomeen.
2. 1807-1809 oli Suomen sota. => I don't get it... Suomen?
3. Suomesta tuli Venäjän osa. Suomesta tuli itsenäinen vuonna 1917. =>Is this the verb tulla (to come). Can it mean "to become" as well?
4. Kesällä on lämmin. => Shouldn't this be in the partitive? As is
Talvella on melko kylmää.
5. Are these bolded words in monikon nominatiivi?
Esimerkiksi Porissa on jazz-festivaalit ja Savonlinnassa on in Savonlinna oopperajuhlat kesällä.
6. How would yoy call the "Winter War" in Finnish? (The war of 1939-1940 between Finland and the Soviet Union).
7. How do you say in Finnish "thanks in advance"?
Until we meet again,
Kiitoksia in advance!
I know I've been quite silent lately, this is because I have been extremely busy...
In case you missed my bothering you... here's another tiny set of questions.
1. What case does "kuulua" require, when it means to belong?
Suomi kuului ennen Ruotsiin.
Suomi kuuluu Euroopan unioniin.
Ahvenanmaa kuuluu Suomeen.
2. 1807-1809 oli Suomen sota. => I don't get it... Suomen?
3. Suomesta tuli Venäjän osa. Suomesta tuli itsenäinen vuonna 1917. =>Is this the verb tulla (to come). Can it mean "to become" as well?
4. Kesällä on lämmin. => Shouldn't this be in the partitive? As is
Talvella on melko kylmää.
5. Are these bolded words in monikon nominatiivi?
Esimerkiksi Porissa on jazz-festivaalit ja Savonlinnassa on in Savonlinna oopperajuhlat kesällä.
6. How would yoy call the "Winter War" in Finnish? (The war of 1939-1940 between Finland and the Soviet Union).
7. How do you say in Finnish "thanks in advance"?
Until we meet again,
Kiitoksia in advance!
Last edited by Cãlin on 11 Sep 2004 13:33, edited 1 time in total.
Terve zcalin!
1) When kuulua is used as "to belong", it is followed by the illative.
2) Suomen = genitive singular of Suomi. The i turns into an e because this word belongs to the ovi type.
3) Is it the verb tulla. There's not actual verb to say "to become", to you either have to use the elative (subject) followed by the verb (eg. Hänestä tuli isä = He became a father) or the verb followed by the translative (eg. Haluatko miljonääriksi? = Do you want to become a millionaire?).
4) In this case you can use either the nominative (kesällä on lämmin) or the partitive (kesällä on lämmintä), it's all the same. It also applies to kylmä (cold).
5) Yes, both words in bold are in nominative plural.
6) The winter war is called talvisota (talvi = winter, sota = war) in Finnish.
7) "Thanks in advance" = kiitos etukäteen or kiitoksia etukäteen.
Odotan seuraavia kysymyksiä!
1) When kuulua is used as "to belong", it is followed by the illative.
2) Suomen = genitive singular of Suomi. The i turns into an e because this word belongs to the ovi type.
3) Is it the verb tulla. There's not actual verb to say "to become", to you either have to use the elative (subject) followed by the verb (eg. Hänestä tuli isä = He became a father) or the verb followed by the translative (eg. Haluatko miljonääriksi? = Do you want to become a millionaire?).
4) In this case you can use either the nominative (kesällä on lämmin) or the partitive (kesällä on lämmintä), it's all the same. It also applies to kylmä (cold).
5) Yes, both words in bold are in nominative plural.
6) The winter war is called talvisota (talvi = winter, sota = war) in Finnish.
7) "Thanks in advance" = kiitos etukäteen or kiitoksia etukäteen.
Odotan seuraavia kysymyksiä!